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#1 Re: Website Issues and Support » [IDEA] BAN PREVIOUS USERS FOR UNFAIR USE OF CONTENT » 2020-02-10 15:51:59

I understand the usage right of CC0 / public domain images so thankfully don't need reminded of what it represents. In my opinion this comes on the back of a previous post I made, where I had suggested scraping OCAL for new content so this appears to be in retaliation to this. I see the predicament, freesvg do not currently attribute true author to all of the files hosted so why should anyone else. But I think if possible, where the source is known, full credit should be given, even if it's not a requirement, especially since you guy's don't appear to enter any meta data into those files which you create.

This is not a grudge, I just figured it's a matter that should be brought to your attention, if there is any grudges to be held then it is on the part of the two individuals who tried their hardest to corrupt the moral values that you instill, as they wanted to make it place where anything goes. I have been the only one to defend the decisions made by yourselves to enforce mild censorship so obviously I am seen as the bad guy, so in that respect all I can say is thanks for the support guys.

I personally don't see the problem in banning users that do not share the same enthusiasm for the site, and only seem to want to corrupt it, or those who engage in nefarious offsite vendetta's toward it.

#2 Website Issues and Support » [IDEA] BAN PREVIOUS USERS FOR UNFAIR USE OF CONTENT » 2020-02-10 12:50:10

rob_s
Replies: 2

I am seeing a lot of publicdomainvector & freesvg images being posted to openclipart by previous disgruntled user Liftarn. I understand the images are public domain and people can do whatever they want with them, but I think since you devoted your own significant time and effort into producing these then you should at the very least be given credit for each and every image, some have links back to the source, but there are an number of images that don't. I therefore suggest either temporary or permanent banning this users IP range if you think it's necessary. From what I can see, this user no longer contributes to this site anyway, so you have nothing to lose by doing so, and it may help deter others from doing the same in future.

#3 Re: Website Issues and Support » [FEATURE] View animated SVG Image » 2020-02-02 20:53:23

Agree with Jaynick, most of these animations use a form of tweening instead of frame by frame so size should not be an issue. We understand the animation should be visible on the download page, and not the search results or home page.

The download button and browser interaction is likely to stay as this is how 99% of users interact with the site, but I am sure there is a way in which your request could be accommodated, it's just going to take a little effort on the part of the developers, to come up with a solution, but I have every confidence in their ability to come up with a solution that works for all.

#4 Re: Website Issues and Support » [FEATURE] View animated SVG Image » 2020-01-27 23:57:54

Can't think of anything else other than the solution that was originally proposed by jaynick, maybe you could ask the question on the backend, is this is an animation and if author states yes then on front end a button or hypertext would appear "this is an animation, click to view" giving the visitor / user the ability to view source svg in the browser opening in a different tab this could also have the added beneift of advising users which images which are static, and which are animated. or alternatively make the image preview on the download page a hyperlink to the source svg file that opens up in another tab, irrespective of it being an animation or static image.

There is also the possibility to create GIF animation from the raw PNG slides of each animation but this could be more trouble than it's worth.

#5 Re: Resources with CC0 license » Welcome to CC0 public domain resources forum » 2020-01-27 23:32:41

Since OCAL is back on the scene and accepting contributions maybe it would be possible to create a script to periodically scrape some of the newer images contributed by users and then add to this collection it would mean retagging at some point but I think we now have this mastered to a fine art. It shouldn't be too hard as the newer images are being displayed sequentially. And will save the original author from having to post at two places, also should OCAL go down again then at least there will be another source available.

#6 Re: Website Issues and Support » [IDEA] attract more contributors » 2020-01-23 16:58:21

J4P4N, you seem to be under the impression the mild censorship is a direct assault on your creativity, or the availability of your work to the general public, neither of these things are true you are free to draw / design / upload / comment "when the comment feature is enabled" as you wish, however the site has a duty of care towards others so if the content contravene site rules then it will be marked as NSFW / NSFC. This is a rule that applies to everyone not just you. It does not however mean your work will be removed or completely inaccessible, it just means people will have to log in to view, and if they haven't done so already, they will need to change their NSFW settings removing the restriction.

You seem to think I am green to the creation of clipart, and not as educated as you in such matters, so couldn't possibly understand or relate to what you are saying, which is just self-righteous claptrap, admittedly I may not be as prolific or gifted creator as yourself but I know my way around inkscape & gimp and can accomplish most tasks I put my mind to with ease, so does this not make me an artist also, and what qualifies as an artist, must you have to have public recognition, show of my work in public galleries / only use adobe illustrator to be a true artist, the point is how can you draw the line between the distinction of you the artist and me the user, without you even knowing what my capabilities / qualifications / experience are.

I've mentioned this previously "You don't make me or many others feel welcome" I remind you again, you do not speak for all users and in my opinion this is another example of you trying to discredit me as best you can. Neither myself or the Devs have ever said or insinuated  "you guys suck and I know what is best" but at the end of the day the dev's pay the site hosting costs, and donate their own time and artwork to developing this project so have the final say on what is  / is not acceptable, you can either choose to make use of this great resource and accept their relaxed censorship or not, it's entirely up to yourself.

My role on this site is voluntarily to moderate:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moderate and to assist other users that run into difficulty, there is nothing to be gained for either of us by continuing on with this conversation as it's counter productive. Personally I think your making a mountain out of a mole hill to be honest, but I accept if this site does not live up to your expectations, then I respect your decision to return to OCAL who hopefully do a better job at accommodating your needs.

As mentioned your welcome back anytime!

#7 Re: Website Issues and Support » [IDEA] attract more contributors » 2020-01-23 14:47:22

I think your going back on your word to a degree as your exact statement implies I have some religious motivation I am pushing "Seems like you want a happy little North American culture Christian Friendly site" why would I?, further more, this seems to be an ideology of your own making which is really just opposition or discrimination toward a different group of people that don't share the same values or belief's as yourself, either that or it's just another attempt by yourself to muddy the waters and discredit me as best you can.

As I have stated this site is not OCAL and maybe your expectations are set a little too high, OCAL had 15 years to perfect their site and this site is just getting started in its journey, it has no desire to mimic OCAL, after 6 months downtime of OCAL with 0 communication, the devs were kind enough to host the old collection they took time to compile from various sources and opened the site up to user contributions, free for anyone to use, their primary objective was to ensure the public domain content created over all those years remained accessible to the general public FOC, they continue to develop the site, and they provided a forum for the reason I outlined in my previous post, the only thing they haven't done is handout cookie's and coco.

Seems to me your a die hard OCAL fan, as you resumed uploading to their site almost immediately when they showed signs of returning, so lets not make your reasons for no longer contributing here about anything different, if the site feels cold and impersonal then put forward constructive UI idea's for improvement instead of matter of fact comments, but please abstain from trying to change things such as censorship, even if I were out of the picture, the sites dev's reserve the right to enforce this which ever way they see fit, if that means a couple of people are put off from using the site, then so be it, it's a small price to pay, for the greater good.

#8 Re: Website Issues and Support » [IDEA] attract more contributors » 2020-01-22 22:04:47

I should add, just like OCAL NSFW is now on by default for new users:https://twitter.com/openclipart/status/1216536164737306624
but this can be turned off within your dashboard if you are effected by it. This post discusses it further:https://forum.freesvg.org/viewtopic.php?pid=504#p504

Any constructive discussion relevant to this feature is welcome.

#9 Re: Website Issues and Support » [IDEA] attract more contributors » 2020-01-22 17:00:46

J4P4N, good to see you took time out from your uploading schedule at OCAL to check back with us at freesvg, I hope OCAL is fulfilling your needs, and you are please with the fast progress they are making towards recovering their site.

As I have pointed out previously I am atheist so I push no religious agenda, and I stand by my moderation of comments posted by Liftarn which was necessary to ensure the site remained bipartisan / unbiased and not offensive to people who had joined in on the discussion. Lets be honest your personal beef with me appears to stem from the time I asked you to shorten your description on one of the first images you uploaded to the site, as most of what you had typed was irrelevant and was more of a rant than anything else, you apparently took offence to this, and we have been at logger heads ever since.

Only two individuals have a problem with the censorship, and so far every attempt made by myself or the moderators to convince you that it's a necessary evil mostly to protect minors has been met with disapproval. If you allow me to be frank for a moment, the site was developed to appeal to the masses and not just a select few, most people appear to understand and are accepting of the censorship.

Your way to aggressive comment is subjective and based on your own personal interaction with me, if you had been less resistive, incitive / disruptive then we would have gotten along fine, I think the problem is you expect the site to cater to your personal demands which isn't very community spirited.

We appreciate you and other artists / authors may like to add comments to your images alongside image descriptions, and this is a planned feature that will be introduced in the future. For the moment we encourage people to use accurate / concise descriptions when submitting images as what you enter influences search results for the benefit of all.

Despite our differences you are both welcome back anytime, as you and liftarn were valued contributors.

#10 Re: Website Issues and Support » [IDEA] attract more contributors » 2020-01-13 16:31:31

Well I certainly can't comment on OCAL censorship tactics as I was never a registered user, the only thing I noticed was that 33 page limit, and what I am definitely aware of when tagging is, some of these images I don't ever recall seeing before, especially provocative ones.

As for the forum, well they never had one, and I doubt you would ever see one there. The intention of this forum was first and foremost to offer guidance / assistance / to keep people informed / to gather feedback, but it seems to have attracted other nefarious uses, which sometimes extends to people inciting discontent or reciting anti establishment rhetoric.

It seems instead of just accepting some minor censorship is needed some feel compelled to fight it, without considering 97% of the visitors to the site don't appear to have an issue with the moderation as if they did, we would be seeing much stronger opposition to it via the forum, so we have to assume the approach the site is adopting is the correct one for the majority.

All I can say is If OCAL is such a unrestricted utopia and your on the fence now because your are seeing they are making some progress to return, then there isn't anything we can do or say to change your mind.

Although we are disappointed to see some contributors leave us, we anticipated it may happen if OCAL ever returned.

#11 Re: Website Issues and Support » [IDEA] attract more contributors » 2020-01-13 11:32:57

Well thats just semantics, as the board didn't write it, a person did. And just because they object to a smiley raising it's middle finger and an image promoting dogging doesn't mean they are out to convert you or to change your views, but it does mean the site has to set the bar proportionality.

I am not sure if you have noticed but OCAL are also marking images as NSFW could it be they too are planning on introducing censorship. So in that respect we wil be equal. If your problem is with the moderation in the forum, then may I suggest a users excerise restraint or a greater degree of self moderation is undertaken, so as not to offend others or promote their own ideology, if this is too much to ask then we reserve the right to moderate posts or remove them completely depending on the severity.

#12 Re: Website Issues and Support » [IDEA] attract more contributors » 2020-01-13 00:02:22

I think the phrase used was religious biggots, and there wasn't anything demonstrated by that user at the time that indicated either to be true, so a judgement call was taken to censor your post, albeit moderately. Either way, I feel the message or point you were attempting to convey was still achieved.

The point I am trying to make is if you upset somebody through general discourse then thats fair game, but I don't think anyone needs to resort to name calling just because someone's belief's or value's don't allign with our own, from the interaction I have had with you, I think you are better than that.

Whilst I have your attn do you have any ideas on how the site could show appreciation to contributors like yourself or give you more exposure or feedback on your donated time / images / efforts, If so please post as a new feature request in the usual manor.

#13 Re: Website Issues and Support » [FEATURE] View animated SVG Image » 2020-01-11 14:17:05

It would appear the image preview window on the backend where tagging takes place is capable of rendering animations. Purhaps it may be possible to cut and paste the code into the download page on the front end, so that animations are displayed from within there, instead of it being a still image. Maybe better than having to provide a link, to view the SVG animation.

https://freesvg.org/r3v6rs9d   is an axample of file that is animated on backend.

#14 Re: Website Issues and Support » [IDEA] attract more contributors » 2020-01-09 14:27:48

I admittantly editted one line in one of your posts in the past, because it was anti establishment and may have caused offense to educators who use the site. It was either that or deletion of the entire comment as this is a responsibility I have been entrusted with and share with the devs. The only other time I have edited a posts is to add a comment, instead of adding a new message so it does not get overlooked, but this is no longer done, as you objected to this.

The censorship of images tags / descriptions is another matter, there have been images which you have added in the past, where the description was automatically censored as the word Nazi appeared in the block list being used, there is a lot to be said for and against the use of blocklist, but my opinion is, if it's not going to work properly "as words that are blocked are still searchable, and it doesn't work for descriptions" then it might as well be removed. The site currently uses a generic blocklist, which we were hoping to modify (add/remove words) over time, which can be done introduced much quicker than creating a list from scratch.

I think the problem is, people expect the site to function precisely like OCAL but this is not possible, they have 15+ years head start and many code contributions and librarians to help out with moderation and censrship over the years, but even with this, their site still had problems, which may explain why search results were restricted to 33 pages.

This site serves as a replacement but admittantly lacks some of the features and number of contributors at present, features are slowing being added but in order for the site to attract contributors, it has to appeal to people coming from all walks of life, so cannot be seen to allign its views with any group, so therefore some censorship is needed.

Unfortunately it's a double edged sword, the developers spend a lot of time tagging old images from the OCAL collection, and as a result don't have much time at their disposal to focus on developing, plus they have other responsibility like creating artwork themselves that they donate here and on public domain vectors, plus tending to their other sites, more users to help with tagging and self moderation so that automated blocklist are not needed would free them up to focus on development challenges.

#15 Re: Website Issues and Support » [BUG / IMPROVEMENT] NSFW and child friendly checkbox » 2020-01-09 12:07:07

Definately a step in the right direction and something that could be improved upon in the future.

#16 Website Issues and Support » [BUG / IMPROVEMENT] NSFW and child friendly checkbox » 2020-01-07 19:15:05

rob_s
Replies: 3

Hi

https://freesvg.org/fanculo translates to F**k, for this reason I tried to mark this image as not safe for children, I don't know what your views on this are, anyway it more of a way for me to test the button on the back end, doesn't seem to be working when logging out I could still see image on the home page and click through to download, I had to resort to marking as explicit with the red button - the old way.

I see what you mean about NSFW within the dash, I don't think you have it in the right place though, it currently shows under update information, purhaps it may be better placed under an additional tab marked user preferences, or under profile if this is not possible.

#17 Re: Website Issues and Support » [IDEA] attract more contributors » 2020-01-07 14:06:15

I am with you on this and understand where you are coming from, your one of the earliest contributors that joined us and appreciate you sticking around, and your continued efforts. Although it may seem like a ghost town as there are not that many contributors there are many visitors so your work does get exposure, it's just unfortunate these visitors go unnoticed, but this is in part due to the site ethos and design, to allow anyone without restriction unhampered access to images.

Although I do not have permission to disclose site stats, I have seen for myself visitor numbers and can confirm there is a large number of visitors for a site still in early development, so I requested monthly visitor stats be published, hopefully this can be approved, the problem is it can then become a competition with other sites following suite, and one more thing for other sites to brag about.

From what I am lead to believe irrespective of OCAL returning FreeSVG will still be around as a source of user contributed public domain images, They are allegedly in it for the long haul, so it's fine to have reservations, they understand trust is earned and this will happen over time. The true litmus test will come when  OCAL fully returns, until then it appears to be business as usual.

Also if there are any specific concerns on your mind that only the developers can answer, then they are around, I just pickup on the majority of forum posts to lighten the load.

#18 Freesvg.org News » Make use of the METADATA fields within your SVG files. » 2020-01-07 01:04:46

rob_s
Replies: 0

If you are contributing SVG images to the site collection then in addition to adding tags and descriptions within this website, please also take a moment to enter the same information within the file itself, if using inkscape (current version 0.92) you can do this by opening up your SVG file, navigating to FILE from the drop down menu and choosing DOCUMENT PROPERTIES, then click on the METADATA tab, and enter as much information as you possibly can, once done there is one last step, click on the LICENSE TAB and click on "CC0 Public domain dedication" radio button, once done, save the update to your file on exit.

By choosing CC0 you will be removing any restrictions which will allow your image to be used by the general public for any purpose, further information on this can be found at:https://creativecommons.org/share-your-work/public-domain/cc0/

Following the above simple steps will ensure this information is preserved and accessible to future generations and any one who gains access to your image in the future.

#19 Website Issues and Support » [IDEA] attract more contributors » 2020-01-06 15:31:41

rob_s
Replies: 18

Think it would be a good idea to brainstorm strategies to attract and engage new users / contributors as those that came to the site from OCAL, may eventually choose to return to OCAL once it's resurrected.

If there are any users out there with a large or small social media presence / who operate their own blog / or operate a webcast you can show your appreciation by helping spread the word. By doing so you will attracting new users that can donate fresh content and bring on board new contributors that can assist with the tagging process of the old "public domain" images retrieved from OCAL.

Any further idea's are always welcome and appreciated!...

#20 Re: Website Issues and Support » Planned features and upgrades schedule » 2020-01-06 15:17:48

Good to hear Vedran / Boris, & happy new year to you both and your families, I am sure your comments will serve as reassurance to any passing visitors, so they know freesvg.org is very much alive and kicking.

Looking forward to seeing some of the planned features in the coming year.

#21 Re: Website Issues and Support » Planned features and upgrades schedule » 2020-01-06 14:27:30

Hi guys, has development stalled?, still seeing thumnails for images marked as explicit on the home screen, wasn't image blurring supposed to have been rolled out.

#22 Re: Website Issues and Support » [FEATURE/ IDEA] campaign to enlist more help with tagging » 2020-01-04 14:17:57

Those that objected to this idea don't seem to be around anymore and from what I can see may have decide to jump ship back to OCAL as that site claims to be making a comeback. There is nothing wrong with this, and is to be expected, but I think in their absence to further enhance this site, and recruit new taggers to replace old, then you may wish to reconsider this as a viable idea.

#23 Website Issues and Support » [FEATURE] ADD MONTHLY VISITOR COUNT TO PAGE STATS » 2020-01-03 13:23:25

rob_s
Replies: 0

This idea comes as a result of a conversation I had recently via twitter where the other user was under the impression the site did not have many users / visitors, they concluded this after logging in and confusing a small growing number of contributors with actual visitor numbers, I think this person has made an excellent point.

I personally think the site user numbers are something to be proud of and should be published, it will help benefit contributors as they will be reassured they are not submitting images into a empty void, and for new users logging in, they too will realise the site grows in popularity.

#24 Re: Website Issues and Support » [FEATURE] public access api for current inkscape plugin » 2020-01-01 13:49:43

Happy new year!!

Thanks for looking into this mvolz, coincidentally, I approached the guy who is mentioned on github, as he used to frequent the OCAL twitter page when it first went down, and asked him for advice on creating a plugin, but he ignored my tweet. I know that lazur who I think is a inkscape forum moderator has made multiple attempts to engage with OCAL and only just recently made contact, https://t.co/r0zjueXmRc?amp=1 I think part of their discussion was to revive OCAL and reintergrate the collection into Inkscape.

There seems to be a unspoken / unwritten bond between inkscape and OCAL probably due to one of the founders to OCAL being involved in sodipodi, the godfather of what would become inkscape. This makes it very difficult for this project to develop a plugin that would be part of inkscape core, so it may just end up being a 3rd party plugins, that inkscape users would be free to install.

Of course if OCAL do return, and the core plugin get's fixed. Then we may have to evaluate whether it is even necessary for freesvg to offer a plugin, as it would be pointless spending significant time developing a plugin that no one will use.

It was a good idea though, if OCAL weren't making attempts to come back, it would have definately been worth pursuing.

#25 Re: Website Issues and Support » [FEATURE] public access api for current inkscape plugin » 2019-12-28 14:21:02

That's a fantastic idea, the developers were thinking of creating their own plugin next year, but if there is already a plugin out their that could be adapted for this purpose then hopefully this would speed up the process.

Thanks for your suggestion.

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