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As liftarn has reaffimed, and I badly pointed out, if it's relevant to the image at hand then it should be kept. As cyanide cupcake pointed out, I would assume anyone searching the collection, already knows what these files are and what they can be used for so tags like Cricut file, SVG, vector, clipart are irrelevant 9 times out of 10.
off subject, just a thought: We could do with someone with experience in cricut & topology / map making, to post a guide, to increase awareness as these uses for SVG's hopefully we come across someone at some stage that is willing to rise to the challenge I asked a guy in the UK about maps but he mustn't have been interested.
Hi this is what is generated by the image recognition sofware, as it in part creates some of the tags for us, unfortunately it's not 100% accurate, which is why some images need retagged by contributors like your good self. I wondered this myself, but eventually started to remove tags like that as they are irrelevant. So as a general rule I remove icon, vector, graphic, clipart, symbol, line drawing, and usually different words for the same colour, but if it's relevant like if it's game asset then I leave the word graphic in place, as it's kinda relevant, and if it clearly is an icon then I would leave that in also, It's a bit hit and miss, but if your adding enough of your own tags, then it shouldn't be too hard for people to find what they are looking for.
I am glad you pointed out those images belonged to glitch which I had never even heard of, I wondering what on earth some of those images were that I was tagging, I figured they were part of a game, as I couldn't understand why there would be four parts of an artifact mirror, And many other identical images with small variations.
thx rob.
Here are some introductory video's for anyone wishing to learn how to use inkscape, the free vector drawing tool.
Lets draw a ghost
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsQUYsi01yw
Lets draw a book
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHkPkugIxnU
Lets draw Daffodils
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wpSTot4yLc
Lets draw an apple
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYrgGNf9fdA
Please feel free to link any other video guides related to inkscape which you have found useful, so that other users can also benefit from them.
Might also want to consider something along the lines of:
what I propose is to add a check box to mark as being inappropriate for children, which would prevent some of the images making it to the home page, these images would only then be visable to registered users who have verified their age is above the imposed age limit.
And some age verification script so only registered users above a certain age gain access to those images.
Hi Liftarn, thanks for your involvement in this discussion, and your contributions so far, you are one of the sites most valued community members and you oppinion as well as your help in other areas is greatly appreciated.
First I must start with this, I read the description for this book, and it appears to be satirical in nature, and as the description states it is for adults, not children.
https://www.bookdepository.com/Little-P … 4cQAvD_BwE
I stand corrected and appear to be wrong about the emoji I probably should have fact checked but I am lazy, I checked my own phone prior to posting, which is fairly old now, and this does not contain this emoji, at lease not that I can see. One thing I will say though is that google they were late to embrace this, and only appear to have done so in response to public oppinion and also possibly due to IOS already supporting them, so by releasing them they are on a level playing field.
As I have stated if there is a solution that can be found that suites all, then this should consider in my oppinion, as it would be a shame for anything to be deleted:
"I share the same oppinion as yourself I would much rather serve the needs of the many, than cater to the few. But I think it may be possible to keep everyone happy if a solution can be found."
I have never written articals to wikipedia, but I assume some fact checking is done by someone other than the publisher of an artical so therefore the content is moderated, I have read what is written in the link you have provided and what they are stating appears to be a code of conduct, so basically they expecting publishers (editors) to self regulate themselves, in the same way this site operates to a certain extend.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia … e_material
Lastly, I am not going to link to this, but please search wikipedia for "the finger" the first couple of paragraphs explain all. And it's not suprising it was flagged as inappropriate given it's official published meaning.
I should come to my own defense by saying, I do not consider myself to be narrow minded as I always try to look for alternatives, and I think I am pretty accepting of others suggestions if they have value. And I am certainly not a biggot as I am currently aligning my views / oppinion with the community, if I were making the site just for me then I would have no objection to including everything, but this isn't in the community spirit.
It's not just about drawing clicks, although I am sure those do help, as it is partly an advertisement funded site. If this were the intention
then the case could be made that no moderation at all would bring in more visitors, sex sells after all along with anything else that is prohibited or restricted.
Hi Jim, thanks for coming on board and joining the discussion, I should point out I am not affiliated with the site despite having moderator status. Just involved from it's inception. Let me quickly bring you up to speed with the orgins of the site, and it's founders. As you might be aware OCAL has been down for many months and after a long period of time the decision was made by the Developers, Boris & Vedran to launch a new site that would serve as a replacement for OCAL going forward, they have a number of other sites so were ideally suited to this and were up for the challenge.
The problem the community faced was the images that formed the OCAL collection were never released, and it was only recently FreeSVG were able to scrap OCAL site through command line scripting, to get their hand on the entire back catalogue. So what you see happening at present is in part an automated process, updating the site with images through image recognition software, and also there is a growing number of contributors manually adding files that cant be added automatically, from the OCAL collection.
The site is really only a couple of months old and has already come a long way in terms of development, as you are aware there is now a button for reporting issues with files. The cheque box I suggest, is in relation to the backend of the site, so for instance if you were to upload an image to the collection then what I propose is to add a check box to mark as being inappropriate for children, which would prevent some of the images making it to the home page, these images would only then be visable to registered users who have verified their age is above the imposed age limit.
Once the back catalogue has been fully processed, then the volume of offensive images should cease, but unfortunately, as it's a community driven site in the same way OCAL was, then to a certain degree contributors are expected to self moderate their contributions.
I share the same oppinion as yourself I would much rather serve the needs of the many, than cater to the few. But I think it may be possible to keep everyone happy if a solution can be found, the ultimate decision lies with the Webdevs who are aware of the situ, and are working on solutions.
Possible feature similar to what clker.com currently offer, the ability to convert PNG to SVG.
https://github.com/cesarmiquel/PNG2SGV
https://github.com/rest7/api/wiki/Conve … SVG-in-PHP
oh really, Jeffrey Dahmer & Ed Gein both admitted started off flipping the bird... only joking, they didn't I did state it was blown out of context, but there must be a reason the powers that be don't permit the publishing of childrens books that contain emoji flipping the bird, and I don't even recall seeing this type of emoji being available in android messaging either, so I trust they have done their homework.
Like I say, we will have to see what the WebDevs decide, some of the clipart posted recently from the back catalogue is bordering on Obscene and some may be seen as offensive to some, to so it's definitely something that needs to be tackled at some point.
It's considered a rude hand gesture here in the UK, which could under some circumstances get you in a lot of trouble, I've known people lose their jobs for less. I think in this context it not that it's overtly offensive, it's because it's something that could be imitated by a child and used towards towards parents or teachers, which goes against social eticate, and if left unchecked could develop into further behaviour problems, if every time I met a person and they did this to me, my instinct might be to treat them as an outcast, so this is why children are conditioned with positive social norms, so they fit into society.
Of course the argument can be made that sheltering children from this type of thing has little effect, it certainly didn't harm me as a child but I understand the need to err on the side of caution, as we have all seen the aftermath of children that were socially isolated or rejected by society in some way, some people cope with it, others go off the rails and inflict harm on others.
Blown out of context, maybe but who knows for sure.
although it pains me to say it, purhaps a check box, available to those submitting an image or retagging those from the OCAL collection that identifies the image as needing age verification. It should also prevent provocative images making it to the home screen in the first place.
Point taken but keep in mind:
Yesterday I referred a user to the site from twitter, and soon after seen this comment appear in the flagged images panel, this was in relation to a provocative smiley image that had been posted to the site, looking at the users twitter profile they seem to have had a connection to a school board district of texas, which could have lead to thousands of unique visitors to the site, and who knows how many further contributions added, so yes it would be great to keep all images, and make them available to everyone, but there is consequences in doing so.
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OK, not exactly explicit content, but we'd love to send students to this site. With a graphic like this, we, as a school district, can't recommend students using this site. BTW- such an awesome site! Thank you!
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spotted a problem, the image contributor tags don't appear to be visable on my win 10 tablet / laptop, I don't think it has anything to do with win10 even tho i hate it! as I have checked both chrome and firefox and see same results.
We are pleased to see freesvg made it into the press:
You can read it here: https://opensource.com/article/19/10/ho … ve-commons
Thanks go out to www.opensource.com for giving the site a mention.
Seeing the new tags feature you added, where the tags submitted by the uploader are visible now and it's looking and performing well. There's a slight delay when you click on the tag as it searches the backend for similar tag but it's working the way it should. Cheers Gents.
I haven't came across images of that nature, I am sure there may be some floating around, and whether they remain on the site depends on firstly it being flagged by another user, and secondly whether the Webdevs on moderating the image also agree that it should be censored in so way, personally I think removal of those type of images would have little impact on visitor numbers, and in any event the request an image in the forum, could serve to fill the gap, so people could exchange those images offsite privately. Obviously if there were public uproar then it could be up for review.
Ultimately, the decision lies with the dev's and what their current stance is towards it, they might decided to go with accepting images of that nature, or instead some age verification for registered users to allow viability of those type of images, only once a person has confirmed their age, and are logged in. let's wait and see their response to the suggestion.
Hi Liftarn, from what I understand the long term objective is to make the site completely child friendly with the help of community members screening so the hope is there should be no images or text deemed to be inappropriate, the new red button found at the bottom/side of each image named "report issues", is multi function, one of the options available is to report as in appropriate.
I am aware pixabay use a different mechanism for their site, as inappropriate images are omitted from view until the user accepts them, I doubt that method would be adopted by the webdevs as there would be little point in having such images.
Last I knew the webdevs were working on a policy for handling uploaders of inappropriate content, they mentioned possibly using a 3 strike policy: notify a user their image/s / text have been flagged as in appropriate and removed, given them the chance to reupload or change the content to make it more suitable for children, repeat offenders will be warned, then eventually removed, It was rough around the edges when first mentioned, so I am not sure how far they have got with it, or when / if it will be enforced.
Still it was a good idea though, keep them coming.
Hi gents, I could be wrong but I experienced something similar to this whilst tagging some of the back catalogue, a came across a image of a magnifying glass with 1:1 in it, instead of putting 1:1 as the tag I used the word ratio, I then came across possibly the same image and I think I used the word ratio again. When you search for that word however, it doesn't bring up any results, I could be mistaken as the orginal tags I entered aren't visable, this is something I was going to ask also, would it be possible to list the tags a user entered at the time of uploading, as some of the related tags currently being shown for these images are wildly inaccurate. I know your busy so possible future request.
https://freesvg.org/ftviewmag-no
https://freesvg.org/ftviewmag1
FYI: Yawn's working now, just checked it and bring up the image.
Hi liftarn, good find but I believe they already have a link to this under useful links on the home page, I don't think these tools are integrated within the site, where you could create a SVG from scratch and post it to the collection if this is what you mean, they are just links to the tools, handy for those that just want to carry out basic SVG manipulaton without having to install inkscape.
If you have examples of sites where these tools are fully integrated / embedded in the site to offer enhanced capabilities then I am sure the developers would be eager to take a look if you can provide them with links
sometimes it's difficult to work out what a svg is from both the description and the preview in the tagging section, would be useful to download a copy to veiw it in its entirety. again only a small number of files effected so purhps can be overcome with the button you are embedding to notify of any issues with a file.
file:https://freesvg.org/libyan-arab-jamahiriya
Expand search capilities to include additional parameters such as such for artwork by a specific username, by old openclipart image id or by any other method currently unsupported.
Would it be possible to further drill down to the actual author of images now that we know exif can be used to extract the meta data in files when its available. Probably a future request once the entire OCAL collection has been added I guess.
Doesn't look like any lemming I've ever seen looks like bull or bison to me. more likely bull. I've came across this image in the past, it's part of a larger collection of cartoon animals i believe so it wouldn't suprise me if the author mixed the fileenames up, or ocal done this at some point maintaining the collection.
purhaps a tool that might be worth adding to your tool box, It might help identify what files are failing the auto PNG thumbnail generation you were experiencing whilst also cleaning up and stripping SVGS of unnecessary code, I've never used it so cant attest to it myself, there is a demo at: http://svg.enshrined.co.uk/
One site with a OCAL backup claims to have stripped out gb's of unnecessary code, and have identified bad files through using it.
https://github.com/darylldoyle/svg-sanitizer
LOL - I love the attention to detail liftarn, it's a silhouette so it could be anything in my opinion, might even be a brush but if I were to hazard a guess my money would be on Echidnas due to the large snout, I only know this as I checked google.
We should put a vote out on twitter asking people what is it?, it's like one of those blue dress gold dress challenges.