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#1 Re: Website Issues and Support » [IDEA] attract more contributors » 2020-01-13 15:26:01

rob_s wrote:

I am not sure if you have noticed but OCAL are also marking images as NSFW could it be they too are planning on introducing censorship. So in that respect we wil be equal.

OCAL have had NSFW flagging for ages, but they never used it to suppress political or religious views (as far as I know).

#2 Re: Website Issues and Support » [IDEA] attract more contributors » 2020-01-13 09:26:11

rob_s wrote:

I think the phrase used was religious bigots, and there wasn't anything demonstrated by that user at the time that indicated either to be true, so a judgement call was taken to censor your post, albeit moderately.

That is interesting since it wasn't directed at any user at all. It was about a specific organisation that is a fundamentalist religious organisation that promotes creationism, racism and religious bigotry.

#3 Re: Website Issues and Support » [IDEA] attract more contributors » 2020-01-12 22:12:27

rob_s wrote:

I admittantly editted one line in one of your posts in the past, because it was anti establishment and may have caused offense to educators who use the site.

OK, perhaps it should be noted somewhere that you are not allowed to write anything that may upset religious extremists.

#4 Re: Website Issues and Support » [IDEA] attract more contributors » 2020-01-09 13:39:45

rob_s wrote:

FreeSVG will still be around as a source of user contributed public domain images, They are allegedly in it for the long haul, so it's fine to have reservations, they understand trust is earned and this will happen over time.

It's one thing to be a collection of the old OCAL cliparts, it's another thing to build a new community. When you create something and give it away for free you want to get some kind of feedback to know that you make a difference.

Another reason I don't want to commit is the rather heavy handed censorship. Now I'm not talking about where to draw the line for what is NSFW (even if I feel that classic art and things like the Voyager plaque should be OK), but about political, cultural and religious censorship. For instance we have images flagged as NSFW because racists may be offended. And it's not just for the images. I have noticed that things I've written in the forum have been edited. Someone put words into my mouth. That I found a bit of a violation.

#5 Re: Website Issues and Support » [IDEA] attract more contributors » 2020-01-07 11:43:09

I'm pretty much ignored on social media so I can't help much there. Also I'm a bit reluctant to endorse either OCAL or FreeSVG. OCAL dropped the ball, but now it actually looks like it may be be do a comeback. FreeSVG have done a great job in resurrecting the old clip art from OCAL, but it feel like a ghost town so it don't encourage participation. Right now I don't trust either site so I'll just sit and wait and hope time will tell.

#7 Re: Website Issues and Support » Report / appeal text censorship issues here » 2019-12-10 11:12:36

At the title is censored. While I see the point I don't think it should be censored in this case.

#8 Re: Website Issues and Support » [FEATURE] site guidelines & code of conduct 2b agreed upon and publish » 2019-12-03 10:16:48

boris wrote:

Avoid use of commercial fonts, even converted to outlines they are still trademarked, there are fonts in public domain available.

Trademarks has nothing to do with it (IANAL). Copyright may do, but "Trademark law protects only the name of a typeface, but not the design of the typeface." (The Law on Fonts and Typefaces in Design and Marketing: Frequently Asked Questions (about commercial and non-commercial use))

#9 Re: Website Issues and Support » [FEATURE] site guidelines & code of conduct 2b agreed upon and publish » 2019-12-03 10:06:39

boris wrote:

Thing is that anything that is trademarked cannot be released in public domain by anyone except the owner of a trademark. For example image of Ford car can be trademarked, the design itself, name of the model etc. The other day I deleted Google logo which happened to be in the database. How people upload these files with public domain license I have no idea.

Let's not slip into copyright paranoia.

It appears the shape of a car can not be trademarked. General Court: car shape found not registrable (decision of 25 November 2015, case T-629/14)

Using the name and model as a description should not be a problem either (IANAL) as you don't claim ownership of it. Trademark law only limits the ways you use it. As FreeSVG don't make cars it's not a problem.

Simple letter/colour/font combinations (such as the Google logo) do not qualify for copyright status. Such simple logos are considered "public domain," meaning that anyone can use them – although the way that people can use a public domain logo would still be limited by trademark law.

See Wikipedia:Logo Copyright/Trademark for a more in depth description.

#10 Re: Website Issues and Support » Planned features and upgrades schedule » 2019-12-03 09:54:03

vedran wrote:

13. Plugin for Inkscape -  next year

Nice list, but about this. Would this be a plug-in you have to install or would it be native in Inkscape as a replacement for the OCAL import?

#12 Re: Website Issues and Support » Site logo not available » 2019-11-28 10:41:05

Yes, I would still need to identify the font used.

On another subject the logo is a bit... plain.

#13 Website Issues and Support » Site logo not available » 2019-11-28 10:23:04

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The site logo
isn't available as a clipart (as far as I can tell). But we do have have OCAL logos instead. Could be useful for making flyers and other marketing materials.

#14 Website Issues and Support » 404 message » 2019-11-28 09:48:20

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The current 404 page (for instance at ) is not very informative. It just says "Page Not Found Sorry, but the page you were trying to view does not exist."
It would be nice if it could be branded with the site logo and at least provide a link to get to the front page.

#16 Re: Website Issues and Support » [FEATURE] site guidelines & code of conduct 2b agreed upon and publish » 2019-11-28 09:02:25

CyanideCupcake wrote:

Number 2, no copyrighted images should definitely extend to derived and fan art, since the copyright of the property still lies with the original creator.

It's not 100% clear where the line is. For instance we have that is sort-of derived from Harry Potter.

CyanideCupcake wrote:

We should also have rules around promoting personal agendas.  I've especially noticed this being abused with old cliparts of political figures with tags such as "filthy capitalist" and "pig".  The point of this site is to share clipart so it can be reused as many people as possible and trying to use it to support a specific cause is not what the site is for. 

I personally think descriptions and tags should be as objective, specific and sterile as possible so clipart can be easily found by users.

Yes, the tags and description should be as objective as possible. However that should not be the same thing as not allowing unflattering caricatures and such things.
If I search for "pig" I would expect to find images of pigs. If it's a caricature where a politician is pictured as a pig then such a tag would probably be valid.

#17 Re: Website Issues and Support » Problem finding related images » 2019-11-27 15:39:29

rob_s wrote:

I believe this is what the collections options is intended for, but I think it's currently lacking in usability and a better approach is needed.

They don't appear to work (or I don't understand how) so that's a problem. But that sounds a strange way to implement it. Eventually I'd like to have working collections (as they did on OCAL). Collections are useful to collect images around a specific theme like Xmas images or workplace clipart.

#18 Re: Website Issues and Support » [FEATURE] site guidelines & code of conduct 2b agreed upon and publish » 2019-11-27 15:28:57

  1. Only vectors, no embedded bitmaps

  2. No copyrighted images (probably includes derived art)

  3. No trademarks/logos (possibly simple ones like word-marks and those that not reach threshold or originality

#19 Re: Website Issues and Support » [Feature] NSFW tag » 2019-11-27 15:17:45

liftarn wrote:

Rob_s wrote:

Could you perhaps use the reply function instead of editing my message? When you do I can't see that you have replied without checking the thread.

#20 Website Issues and Support » Can't get to my clipart from profile » 2019-11-27 15:11:16

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In the dashboard there is no link to your own clipart, like for instance  (and btw it would be nicer to have your user name instead of a number).

#21 Re: Website Issues and Support » [feature] Unified login to main site and forum » 2019-11-27 15:08:54

j4p4n wrote:

First, nice to see a somewhat familar face, hello liftarn! I think we might have crossed paths in another life on another site? wink

Yes, I noticed you had turned up here too. Any other OCALists in exile?

#22 Re: Website Issues and Support » [Feature] NSFW tag » 2019-11-27 15:04:42

j4p4n wrote:

There are plenty of nude statues and paintings in museums, can kids not go to museums? And why censor religious items just because someone might be offended? I don't know. I agree with making it school friendly around here. But disagree that school friendly means conservative American Christian school. The world is a big place.


If it's something kids will see in museums, on the beach, in the supermarket and on TV it shouldn't be censored. If we let the Texas Board of Education who brought us hits like "KKK and Jim Crow laws never existed" and "evolution is just a theory, but creationism is OK" decide what we should or shouldn't allow it's a very different matter.

#23 Re: Website Issues and Support » Problem finding related images » 2019-11-27 14:58:27

j4p4n wrote:

And speaking of related items, openclipart had a "Remix" option which led to so many fun chains of creativity. That coming here?

Yes, I think I've mentioned that too. If I recall correctly it was implemented as any other tag, but displayed as "Is a remix of".

#24 Website Issues and Support » [feature] Unified login to main site and forum » 2019-11-26 14:42:01

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Now the forum and the rest of the site are not connected. A first step would be a single log-in to both functions.

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